Thursday, September 20, 2012
Clark County (NV) seeks Management Analyst Intern
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Tuesday, September 18, 2012
Graduate Fellowship in Huntington Beach
Tuesday, September 11, 2012
Management Assistant position in Arizona
Friday, July 20, 2012
New entry-level opportunity in Redlands, CA
Wednesday, July 11, 2012
Entry level opportunity in Washington State
Wednesday, June 27, 2012
Counties Work!
It's genius (and free!)
Here's a link to the latest press release: NACo Newsroom
And here's a link to the game: http://www.icivics.org/games/counties-work
Thursday, June 21, 2012
Delegates v. Trustees
We pride ourselves on our democracy here in America, except we don't really live in a democracy. We live in a federal constitutional republic. We don't all vote for everything. We give the power to legislate to others - our city councils, state assemblies, school boards, and federal representatives. Much of the legislation that goes on at virtually every level of politics does not involve the average citizen. We assume that our elected officials act as either delegates or trustees, and the responsibility depends upon the geography's politics.
A delegate is selected by a population to represent them and their interests. Inherently, a delegate is given power to act without necessarily a direct means of accountability to his or her constituents beyond the ballot box. The delegate, having received legislative power from the constituency, can vote his or her conscience on any issue.
A trustee, on the other hand, faces more significant constraints. When elected, trustees are given power only to act directly in the interests of their electors. They have a fiduciary responsibility to act as the voice of their district, ward, precinct, or state.
Tuesday's Council meeting was the most clear example of schizophrenic American politics that I have ever witnessed. For simplicity, I'll divide the meeting into two parts. The first part consisted of a dicussion of the annual budget while the second part was the final public hearing about the smoking ban.
During the budget debate, only two individuals spoke about the proposed budget. In particular, the second person was upset about the lack of public input about the budget process. The City Manager responded by saying that the city had held at least twice as many public meetings than last year and that any resident is welcome to contact their city council representative if they have input before the vote. The woman was pretty upset at that response.
The Council Chamber was still packed during the second portion of the meeting for the final vote on a smoking ban in public places. Those opposed to a smoking ban vowed to start a petition for a referendum the next day and "let the people decide."
Wait...didn't the people already decide? Didn't they elect their representatives? Do they want their council members to be delegates or trustees? Certainly, as delegates the council has the agency to make the decisions they feel are the best for their city. If they were trustees, they would be constrained to make the decision that at least a majority of their constituents support.
I think a great problem in representative democracy is that people want it to go both ways. Tuesday night was an exceptional opportunity to juxtapose the two models. During the budget portion of the night - what is supposed to be the major fiscal and policy document that guides the city over the next 12 months - residents were at best ambivalent and at worst completely uninformed. They clearly left this major document to their elected delegates to make the right decision.
At the same time, the smoking ban clearly became a battleground between the majority of the council (which ultimately passed the ordinance) and residents opposed to the ban. Those opposed wanted the council to act as trustees - to vote exactly as they wished as if the council were puppets attached by strings to their constituents. Even more frightening, they wish to use a referendum to overturn the ban. One man even claimed that "all major projects like this should be voted on directly by voters."
Right. Like that works out well (California, anyone?).
Ultimately, I think that our politicians are delegates. Anyone who expects their elected officials to act as trustees all of the time are living in a dream world. Politicians only act as trustees long enough to make certain they have 51% of the vote - and the constituency could care less about most of the issues.
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Thursday, June 7, 2012
Great opportunity in Provo
Tuesday, February 28, 2012
Interview with Steve Thacker, City Manager of Centerville, Utah
Editor’s note: This interview is the third in a series of conversations I had with managers at the ICMA Annual Conference in Milwaukee. Each of these managers represents a city or county that has offered or is currently offering Management Internships – one- to two-year postgraduate work and mentoring experiences that help new MPAs and MPPs get their feet wet in city management.
The total budget is about $16 million. The largest source of sales tax revenue is Wal-Mart. The Wal-Mart came to town in 2007. Just before the recession hit. We are very grateful to have had the Wal-Mart sales tax to prop us up.

Where did you start your career and how did you become a city manager?
Well, I was in the MPA program at BYU. Between my first and second year of graduate school I did an internship in the city of
My career has spanned 33 years in public service; 28 years in city government at this point.
What is the greatest issue facing your city?
We have several land use planning initiatives. They are probably our hot-button issues.
They’re probably the greatest issues because any time you alter a general land use plan you have folks who may perceive that as detrimental. For example, we have adopted a plan for the redevelopment of the commercial part of
And then we have a foothills management plan. The area on the east side on the mountainside is largely undeveloped. It’s mostly outside city limits. We want to control what happens to that land so we have developed a management plan expressing the potential uses of the mountainside, the constraints on development, and what the guiding values should be for the development of that land.
We’re also putting in a fiber optic network – Utopia – and they’re finally getting around to building the network in

How do you avoid pigeon-holing yourself in one particular department or specialty in city management?
It would be best to have some strengths in specialty areas...more in-depth experience. But you’d also need some exposure to many other areas. If you just know a little bit about a lot of things, that might work too if you can convince them that you have the skill set that
What’s the most awkward interview question you’ve ever asked or been asked?
That’s a tough one. I remember many years ago when I was trying to find my first city management job. They asked me how I felt about receiving grants. I suspected that the person asking the question was an ultra-conservative who didn’t like the idea of the strings that come attached with receiving grants. I think the question was “Would you seek and accept grants on behalf of the city?” and guessing the motives and philosophy of the person asking the question I took the safe route and said, “Well, you know it depends upon the position of the city council. Do they want to seek and use grants or not?” That’s a pretty safe answer.
Let’s talk a little about your management internship. Given that many cities are cutting these types of jobs, was it difficult to fund this position and “sell” it to your council?
It was not. No, it wasn’t difficult. It is a year-by-year budget decision. As I anticipate whether I have the collection of projects or accumulation of projects that would justify an intern I make that decision when I prepare the annual budget. Then I put those amounts in. If I think I may want one, I put that amount in. The council has been supportive; they’ve never turned me down when I requested it. But as you know we only have 51 full-time employees…it’s a pretty skimpy staff. That includes police and public works and parks maintenance people and all that so we don’t have a lot of bodies available to do special projects and assignments. The council understands that so they’ve always been supportive when I’ve asked for that funding.
How many times have you offered a position similar to this one?
Let me just talk about the last six years. I’ve had five interns in the last six years. I missed last year. Other than that I’ve had one every year. One year I did share the intern with the city of
As a member of the ICMA Task Force on Internship Guidelines, we’ve discussed changing the stigma of internships from “coffee and copies” to an “apprenticeship.” How would your management intern fit into that category?
I like that. That is really how I’ve been thinking about the intern. I’ve had interns not simply because I think they can give us some value for the relatively low wage we pay them but because I am committed to preparing the next generation of city managers. I have a lot of passion for this profession and I want to give that future generation of city managers a good start. The way I’ve looked at it is: “This is an apprenticeship. I want to give that intern as much insight into the challenges of being a city manager as possible and allow them to learn those things that they’re not going to learn in a classroom.” Because of that, one of the regular parts of my internships or apprenticeships is I have a weekly time set with my intern throughout the four-month period…an established block of time where the intern not only reports on the assignments but also can ask questions about anything that they’ve observed while they’re on the job. If they’ve observed something at a council meeting, interaction between the council members, the dynamics of the meeting, if they’ve observed something in the departments they’ve been working in…Anything at all. The issues facing the community, some of the public reaction at public hearings, they can ask about anything. There is nothing off-limits. And that’s how I think they’re going to gain the insights that they’re not going to gain in the classroom. It’s by seeing those things in real life and having the chance to talk about them.
I think that’s in line with the idea that this is an apprenticeship… a way for someone to really become a city manager someday.
What trends, positive or negative, do you see from recent MPA grads?
I don’t know if there are any negatives that I can think of offhand, and I see a lot of positives. They’re coming out of the BYU program with great quantitative skills, the use of technology and software, in order to document and analyze data is really amazing. My current intern, Ben, has an amazing ability to analyze data by the use of Excel and other software, some of it I wasn’t familiar with. That’s one of the advances, obviously, since my time in grad school. I’m a technology dinosaur! But I can appreciate the value of it.
They’re probably better writers. The BYU program has a heavy emphasis on writing and that seems to be the case with the interns I’ve had. For the most part, they’re pretty good writers. They have a desire for public service. That’s always been there for those that go into an MPA program.
Negative trends? I don’t know. I can’t think of any off the top of my head. Regarding the interns I have had from BYU, the values they come out with are really well placed for public service.
Do you have any last thoughts for someone seeking their first job?
I had an inquiry from a student the other day. He was faced with the choice of continuing to be an intern with [another city] or taking an internal audit position with the [State] Department of Corrections. He was wondering “Which one will serve me best?” I didn’t give him an answer specifically, but [I said] “Here are the things you need to think about:
1. What kind of assignments will you get in that position which will relate to your future goal of city management?
2. Are you going to be exposed to subject matter that will be relevant?
3. Are you going to be able to use and refine skills that will be relevant to city management?”
If you can get all of those, that’s best. I was a performance auditor for the first five years of my career and I was exposed to some of the subject matter that I was ultimately going to see in city management. The assignments that I had included the Department of Administration and the Department of Transportation. But the skills I was required to use were even more valuable for later use in city management.
Someone looking for their first job – if they want to be a city manager – then they need to be thinking about those things: The assignments, the subject matter, and the skill set and are those going to be relevant to city management. You could get that kind of experience in many different positions. If you don’t have many choices, that’s a different situation. You may even try the private sector. Any job that helps you build your interpersonal skills, your conceptual skills, and your analytical skills…you can transfer those to [any job] in the private or public sector.
Saturday, February 25, 2012
New entry-level jobs!
Saturday, February 4, 2012
Fort Collins Management Assistantship
The City of Fort Collins Management Assistant Program allows current Master of Public Administration students and recent graduates the opportunity to gain valuable career related experience in a wide variety of areas of municipal operations. This position provides future municipal leaders with the opportunity to learn from seasoned professionals in a community consistently rated as one of the best places to live in the country. As a stand-alone municipality of over 140,000 residents, interns have the opportunity to learn about the inner-workings of a full-service city.
The intern will be provided the opportunity to work on projects based in a variety of City departments while maintaining a “home base” in the City Manager’s Office. Interns will be involved in research, analytical work, and managing special projects. This position represents a one-year internship.
ESSENTIAL DUTIES AND RESPONSIBILITIES:
Assist the City Manager’s Office in researching high-level issues of concern as they arise. Performs entry level program analysis, organizational and administrative field studies, and statistical analysis of research data. Reports findings of research or study to the City Manager or other executive staff and elected officials in writing and in person. Plan and coordinate various meetings and internal training opportunities. Participate in the City Budget and Capital Improvement Program process.
EDUCATION and EXPERIENCE:
Graduation from an accredited four-year college or university with major course work in a field related to Public or Business Administration, Political Science, urban planning or closely related field. Applicants must have completed or substantially completed coursework toward a Master of Public Administration or closely related degree by June 2012.
Application deadline is February 21, 2012.
Applicants will submit the following by e-mail,jjones@fcgov.com to Josh Jones:
1) A cover letter stating interest and intent; 2) A current resume listing education, university(ies) attended, degree and completion dates, and professional work experience.
Wednesday, January 11, 2012
Sedgwick County, KS Management Internship
Saturday, January 7, 2012
City of Wichita Management Fellowship
Saturday, December 31, 2011
Olathe, Kansas Management Internship
About the
Management Internship
Requirements Requires a Master of Public Administration (or student who has completed all MPA coursework) or equivalent degree by July 1 and at least 6 months of related work experience. Applicable Internships (paid or non-paid) will satisfy the experience requirement. The ideal candidate will have a general knowledge of municipal government operations and be proficient with Microsoft Word, Excel, Power Point and related applications.
PREAMBLE: By embracing these core values, employees of the City of
Customer Service: We value a friendly attitude that delivers timely, competent, and responsible service to all of our customers.
Teamwork: We value cooperation with others to achieve the best for our organization and community.
Learning: We value an innovative environment that challenges us to continuously seek ways to improve our organization and our community.
Communication: We value open discussion with others as the basis for decision-making and action.
Leadership through Service: We value an organization in which each of us is a leader focused on serving people through listening to, caring for, supporting, and developing others.
About the position of
Management Intern
Job Description Under the direction of the Assistant City Manager, performs entry level professional work for the City Manager’s Office. Participates in and/or leads a variety of projects contributing to the continued success of various organization-wide initiatives. Duties and responsibilities are designed to further prepare the incumbent for a successful career in local government.
Routine Job Duties/Responsibilities
· Perform entry level professional administrative work, research, and analysis in support of the City Manager’s office and the Mayor and Council as directed.
· Interact regularly with personnel from each department to ensure effective interdepartmental communication and maximize operational effectiveness.
· Responds to citizen inquiries/requests and resolves all issues within assigned scope of responsibility in a timely manner. Refers more complex issues to the Assistant City Manager for resolution.
· Assist with developing and implementing projects and/or programs impacting one or more City departments.
· Collect and organize data for the City-wide Balanced Scorecard.
· Facilitates program for Olathe District Schools third graders to learn about local government.
· Act as Staff Advisor to the Olathe Teen Council.
· Assist with Capital Improvement Plan (CIP) budgetary process by inputting data, performing appropriate analysis, and preparing necessary reports.
· Attend and participate in various organizational meetings and meetings of the City Council and Council sub-committees as directed.
· Perform other duties and responsibilities as assigned.
Periodic Job Duties/Responsibilities
· May facilitate employee committee or ad hoc groups.
Education/Experience
· Masters in Public Administration or equivalent
· At least six months of related work experience, applicable internships (paid or non-paid) are acceptable for experience requirement.
About the position of
Management Intern
Skills
· Ability to organize, direct and coordinate projects and meetings
· Ability to handle confidential information in a sensitive manner
· Excellent oral and written communication skills
· Ability to handle multiple demands and competing priorities
· Ability to work independently after receiving initial guidance
· Basic mathematical skills
· Ability to meet and deal tactfully with the general public, elected officials, vendors, employees and citizens
Knowledge
· General knowledge of municipal governments, city regulations/codes and ordinances
· Proficiency with PCs and computer software and applications
· General knowledge of office equipment, including photo copier, telephone, facsimile, calculator, shredder, etc.
License
· Valid Kansas Driver’s License (within 30 days of
appointment)
Working Conditions
· Long periods of computer and office work
· Intermittent periods of standing and walking
· Ability to lift, carry, push and pull up to 20 pounds
· Constant talking, hearing, concentration, judgment and writing ability
Note This job description should not be construed to imply that these requirements are the exclusive standards of the position. Interns will follow any other instructions, and perform any other related duties, as may be required. The employer has the right to revise this job description at any time. The job description is not to be construed as a contract for employment.
Salary & Benefits
Salary: $34,500
Benefits: · Health, Dental, and Vision Insurance
· Life Insurance ($10,000 life/$10,000 accidental death and dismemberment policy)
· Deferred Compensation, with City match up to $30 per pay period
· KPERS (
· 10.5 Paid Holidays per Year
· One Personal Day per Year
· Vacation: 2 weeks per Year
· A detailed description of benefits may be found on the City’s website http://www.olatheks.org/HR/Benefits.
Thursday, December 8, 2011
City of Phoenix Management Internship
Tuesday, December 6, 2011
City of Richmond Fellowship
Sunday, December 4, 2011
Interview with Darin Atteberry and Josh Jones, City Manager and Management Assistant, Fort Collins, CO
Editor's note:
This interview is the second in a series of conversations I had with city managers at the annual ICMA conference in Milwaukee. I had the opportunity to meet with Darin Atteberry and Josh Jones from the city of Fort Collins. It was a great opportunity to meet both the manager and his management assistant.
City profile:
145,000 residents
26,000 CSU students
$103 million general fund budget
Total budget is $454 million
Full service city with an electric utility
Transit system as its own department
2,000 employees in spring and summer; 1,400-1,500 in winter
Describe your career path.
Darin:
In 1989, I graduated from Cal-Poly San Luis Obispo in city and regional planning and then moved to

Josh:
I went to
How many times have you offered the management program in the past?
Darin:
Probably two or three times. I think this year – the program that Josh is in – is much more deliberate. It was a line-item in our budget and in prior years we had an intern from Associated Students at
It’s a full-time, benefited, salaried position.
Josh:
I would comment, too, about the duration of the program. It’s interesting that one of the very first management assistants - assistant city manager
So you have a high rate of retention?
Darin:
In fact, it’s interesting at these conferences, I was just at the center for performance measurement yesterday, and a gentleman came up to me and said, “Please say hi to

Given the tough budget situation many cities are in, was it a difficult sell to your council to create a new position?
Darin:
Context is important. Since I became the city manager about seven years ago, we’ve been cutting, laying off, and tightening efficiencies, but we’ve done that in a very surgical way rather than using a hatchet. The good news is that last November the voters said yes to a ballot measure, “Keep Fort Collins Great,” that raised our sales tax by 0.85. This generates nearly $20 million new dollars per year. I originally had a proposed budget that assumed no increase, but then once the voters approved that increase, one of the strategies that I had recommended to the council was this internship program. If it weren’t for this increase – I would have still advocated for the program – but it had a much better chance of passing with the increase in the sales tax. Again, for me, I look at it as a long term investment.
One proposal on the ICMA task force for internship guidelines is using interns within a revenue-generating department. For example, one day a week the fellow would write parking tickets that would pay for their work. Do you have any feelings on that?
Josh: (laughs)
Darin:
I would not do that. It’s innovative and it’s interesting, but for me, to use that specific example, parking fines are not used to generate revenue but to enforce adequate turnover in parking so that retailers have good street access. I don’t mean to sound elitist, but we just don’t look at it that way. I think there is value – I mean, wow, to go as an intern and write tickets for a day or a week would be an incredible experience, but as a revenue generation source that wouldn’t be a good fit for the city of
Josh:
To that I would add that I think Darin did a good job before I even arrived of preparing the city for the internship program. He talked it up, and he talked me up, frankly, and I appreciate that. Since I arrived, everyone has been very respectful of me and my time. Darin and others have involved me in very high-level projects and I’ve never felt like I’m just getting coffee or doing grunt work. Every project I’ve ever done so far has been, in my opinion, a great use of my time. I think that’s a good thing for an internship program. Unfortunately, other internship programs can be more about getting the coffee. Parking enforcement for a day would be great though!
Darin:
Yes, you’re done with your degree work, and now it is a professional experience. I really like what Josh said. Back to the question about parking revenue, I think it’s really good to experience that hands-on work. I try to do that now still, even after twenty years, but I don’t think it would be the highest or best use of Josh’s time to have him out doing parking enforcement on a regular basis.
Let’s speak more specifically about
Darin:
I really can’t limit it to just one. We do have some really big ones. We’ve got major capital projects, a new interstate highway interchange, a new museum, an expanded performing arts center, an $86 million bus rapid transit system, etc. It’s all really, really, exciting, but any one of those projects gone wrong could be a real bad thing. So, we have a very intense capital improvement time going on. Any city in
Another thing is this continued improvement of the relationship between the council and the staff, making sure that it is rock solid, and that it’s progressive. We’re growing together, and we’re consistent with the board of directors’ level vision of being world-class. Obviously the movement of boomers leaving our work force makes succession planning a very big deal. And then, like I said, since we’ve been in a cut mode for the last seven years and really tightening, this “Keep Fort Collins Great” tax measure gives us $20 million new dollars per year. When you’ve been cutting for the last seven years, you’re not used to spending! I had our mayor pro-tem tell me the other day, “Darin, you need to loosen up a little bit here because they didn’t give us the money to hoard it and to save it. They gave us the money to spend it. We’re aware though of spending it very, very wisely, reporting it, making sure it’s just not a feeding frenzy and being very deliberate, very strategic, under the context of the Malcolm-Baldridge stuff [National Quality Award from the National Institute of Standards and Technology] … Most of that sounds like great problems to have (and they are), and so I kind of keep my head down at this conference because everyone else is laying people off or doing furloughs.
I’ll pull back the curtain a little bit too. As a longer-term manager – I’ve been in the city for fifteen years and the manager for seven and a half years – how you stay passionate and get goose bumps for the work you’re doing is very important. And I do have that, but I also recognize that for me, if I’m not innovating and I’m not helping facilitate transformational change, that’s a warning sign. I want to make sure we have that. The organization has really counted on me driving change, which is good and comes with responsibilities.
Largest employer is Colorado State University, and then the school district. Companies include Intel, Hewlett Packard, AMD, Avago, and other very well-known hi-tech firms.
A few months ago, I was committed to getting a management internship wherever it may be. I applied to places as far away as Lexington, Massachusetts to Eureka, California and everywhere in between. I ended up getting a few offers and to me, Fort Collins was the right fit. It’s like hiring the city manager or any other employee for that matter – it has to be the right fit. One of the other internships I looked at was the “coffee and grunt work” kind of deal and the other one was a very, very large organization – one of the top ten cities population-wise in the U.S. – and I felt like I might get lost in that organization and I didn’t know how that organization would truly utilize a $30,000 per year intern, whereas in Fort Collins I feel like I’m really being utilized every day. They value my presence and I’m getting a lot of work, being able to produce, make a difference for them, and contribute in a meaningful way. Last week we were in the office after council meeting at 2 A.M., and if I didn’t want to be here, and if I didn’t value the work and respect the work that I’m doing, then I certainly would not be there at 2 A.M. It’s a good fit, I’m having a great time, and it’s a dream job for me, so I’ll stay ‘til 2 A.M. because I feel that it’s worth my time.
Darin:
I think about Josh’s story and I think about what we’re doing at ICMA [best practices presentations], whether it’s budgeting or performance measurement, the way we do pay and benefits with performance-based pay, our economic development work with clusters and incubators, etc. My job is a real privilege. Admittedly, I think Fort Collins has been a place that’s known as an innovator, though not necessarily out in the extreme edge. I have a group of colleagues that met about five years ago who said that they were watching what some cities were doing regarding budgeting for outcomes. Fort Collins had adopted it and they said, “Oh, we had better pay attention to it.” What’s really interesting about Fort Collins is when I did my mid-year evaluation (twice a year I go in with the council during an executive session and do an evaluation) and in that evaluation I’ll get feedback about what I’m doing and what the city is doing. But they are also driving me to more and more innovation. “Why aren’t we innovating more, why aren’t we driving transformational change?” I leave my evaluation a little defensive. Are you kidding me? We’re driving change! But then, I go home and wake up the next day and think how great it is to be part of an organization, to be in a position where my board of directors is saying “We want innovation.” Because most of these managers probably don’t have a board saying that kind of stuff. [They say] “Keep the course, don’t change.” That’s not Fort Collins.
Tuesday, November 29, 2011
Long Beach Management Assistant Program
Sunday, November 6, 2011
Interview with Allen Bogard, City Manager, Sugar Land Texas.
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Every year, the Romney Institute of Public Management sends a large group of its local government students to the ICMA Annual Conference. This trip often serves as the first encounter many of the students have with professional managers, their staff, and private sector firms providing services to municipalities.
One of the activities that students from the Romney Institute (Brigham Young University) do every year is network directly with managers and professionals while on the exhibition hall floor. BYU rents a space for students to discuss careers in city management with other participants, network for internships or jobs, promote the institute’s student-led local government consulting group, and showcase the Romney Institute’s dynamic and practical-based program.
I was in Milwaukee for the conference with my fellow BYU MPAs, working the booth and trying to talk to as many managers as I possibly could. One thing I’ve noticed about city managers is their willingness to share their love for their careers. While working the booth, I saw a nametag – City Manager, Sugar Land, Texas. By itself, this city probably would have blended in with the thousands of other names I didn’t recognize. However, my best friend had served a Mormon mission to Sugar Land several years ago and loved the area. The name had stuck in my head. I made the connection and started a conversation with Sugar Land’s manager, Allen Bogard (see photo below).
After a short chat at our booth, I learned that Allen has hired management assistants in the past (also known as management fellows, management interns, analyst trainee, or “management analyst I” in other jurisdictions). During our chance meeting, we were able to discuss his successful career from changing tractor tires for the city of Dallas to becoming the manager of Sugar Land and how a new grad can break into the city management field with the help of a management fellowship.

How did you get started in city management?
Oh goodness. I wanted to be a lawyer and I was on my own through college and my grades weren’t good enough. I had a girlfriend who wanted to get married and I learned about a graduate program at the University of North Texas that taught people how to be city managers. That sounded like something that was very interesting to me.
It sounded like I could satisfy my desire to do public service and it was also a career that looked good to me so I went ahead and joined that program. That’s where I got my master’s degree. I got a bachelor’s degree at the University of Texas-Arlington in Political Science.
I got married and within three months of bumming cigarette money off of my new wife (who was a nurse) I decided I had to go get me a job. I went ahead and got a job with the city of Dallas changing tractor tires and doing just about anything else that I could. I worked through a number of different positions with Dallas and ended up being a budget analyst. Then I left to work for the city of Plano. That’s about when I finished up my master’s up in North Texas. I primarily worked in the Public Works area. I became a director reporting to the city manager. I was still pretty young at the time. I had already worked for Dallas for three years. I was with Plano for seven years during which time the city grew from 60,000 to 120,000 and in Public Works, that’s excellent experience.
A change in leadership – the city manager was retiring – was not in alignment with my successful continued growth. At that point I decided to take my first city manager’s job.
Where was that?
A little town in East Texas named Winnsboro. Only three or four thousand people. It was quite a change from the metropolis [of Plano and Dallas], but I loved it. In ’85, I was 31. In a small town, you do a little bit of everything. When small kids come into my office, often the first thing they notice is a picture of me riding an elephant in the circus. It’s illustrative of the number of roles you play in a small town. I personally think that is very satisfying. It’s very exciting because you never know what you’re going to be dealing with next.
It’s so interesting to hear how people arrived where they are. There really is no one “best” system to get into city management.
That’s right. I kind of did both [starting in a large city v. a small city]. That’s kind of a regular conversation with people in my organization. I always encourage them to keep an eye open outside. I have mixed emotions because I want to keep people for as long as I can. At the same time, I want them to be thinking about “When is the right time to make that move?” There is a good time and it’s not just when the opportunity opens up, but also the right mix of your family makeup. The longer you stay in a Plano or a Sugar Land, the higher your compensation becomes, the harder it becomes to make that transition…or if you’ve got kids or a wife, if she has a job. The more complications you have in your life the more difficult it becomes to make the transition. It’s an important issue.
Sugar Land is a town of about 85,000. It is demographically upper-end income housing. It is very rich in the sense that it has a very strong business base. We’ve been very successful in attracting a diversity of commercial development. We have about an equal amount of retail, office, and industrial space. It is largely oil-related as is Houston, but Minute Maid, for example, has its corporate headquarters there. There are several large engineering firms there. We probably have 40,000 plus jobs in the city. We are the retail marketplace for southwest side of Houston out into Fort Bend County, which is our county. As you continue to the southwest, there is not another retail marketplace until you get to Corpus Christi. Our mall and retail areas are very significant sources of revenue. We’re always making sure that we maintain that revenue stream. We have about 50% of our general fund through sales tax. Over the years our sales tax has allowed us to lower our property tax rate and we actually have the second lowest property tax rate in the state for cities over 50,000. That’s good in a way, but it also makes us more reliant on sales tax, which can be cyclical, and is something that we have to pay close attention to. So we do some things to manage our money so that’s not a problem.
We’re AAA bond rated. We had Fitch and this year we got Standard and Poor’s, so we’re real pleased about that. It’s something that takes a long time to accomplish.
Has there been a lot of job turnover in the city in Sugar Land?
We are finding ourselves to be a place where people come to steal my employees. That’s one of the things that happen when you’re successful. You can’t begrudge anybody. So we’ve had a lot of turnover specifically in the economic development area. Actually I think it’s going to end up working in our best interest. Not that the folks that were working in those areas weren’t doing a good job. We had a change in leadership in that department a few years ago. The new director wanted to have a staff with more economic development expertise and experience than [the previous director]. As the turnover occurred, we’ve been able to increase the stature and capacity of that department.
What’s the biggest concern facing the city of Sugar Land?
We are arriving at a point where continuing to afford to invest in capital improvements will require us to raise the tax rate. The city hasn’t had a tax rate increase – and in fact has basically reduced the tax rate every year for the last twenty years – because of the growth of sales tax receipts. The net effect of that is that we no longer have the financial capacity within the tax rate in a low growth economy to be able to continue to invest in new capital projects, not only because of the cost of the debt service, but more importantly the ability to maintain and operate whatever it is we want to build. I’ve had to refine my message, educate my elected officials and eventually the community on the idea that we need to seriously consider raising the tax rate. And politically that just hasn’t been feasible up to this point. We are beginning to talk about having a bond election and using that election process as the manner in which the elected officials can get permission from the public. If the voters don’t approve it…well, I have a $186 million budget this year. We have a declining debt service obligation, the way we have structured our debt conservatively in the past, which means that we have capacity opening up within the same debt service tax rate over the next five years that would allow us to invest in rehabilitation and more “needs” as I call them, about $60 million. So we can rehabilitate the streets, we can maintain everything that we have. We just can’t go out and build more parks.
And we have to stop landscaping everything… I mean, if you stand still too long you’re going to get flowers planted in your hair. (both laugh)
Parks are expensive to maintain. We’re going to have to go through the process of a bond election to allow the financing for the “wants.” I’ve basically split our five-year CIP into two parts this year. The part that we’re going to fund based upon the revenue stream that we had over the next five years. And the list of “wants,” the things that we want to do but do not currently have a funding source for with conservative economic projections. Of course, if the economy explodes and takes off, it’ll be a different picture. For now, that’s the biggest challenge that we’d face.
The other one is the award that we’re getting for our very diverse community. We are now 35% Asian. It is largely Chinese and Indian. We have a Hindu temple and a Muslim mosque. Those parts of our community are coming to Sugar Land because it has an excellent school system. It’s very stable for property values. It’s got a very good reputation as a good place to live, a safe place to live. Well maintained. It’s very orderly. For the Asian community, that’s right up their alley. Those parts of our community are growing. We have to teach a city organization that is primarily people that look like me to know enough about the Hindus and the Muslims and the Chinese to make sure we are providing services to them that meet their needs. That is an unusual characteristic that we have been working on and trying to respond to by reaching out to those communities and having them come in and teach us about not only their culture and where they come from but also the makeup of their community in Sugar Land. For example, we have learned about the concerns that Indian families have about losing their young people. In other words, these are first generation, they have their young people in the school system and they begin to gravitate away from the culture that the family would like them to follow. Things like that are important to know. We are making sure that we have parks department events that are inclusive of their cultures but also bring them into the Fourth of July and Cinco de Mayo and so forth. So that’s a set of different challenges that we are dealing with there. We think it’s a strength. They are excellent citizens. And they are very appreciative of their city government.
Let’s talk about your Management Assistant program. How many times have you offered the program?
We’ve had an internship program for years. As a matter of fact, my public works director came to the city as an intern ten to twelve years ago and worked his way up to director of Public Works. We have three generations of Management Assistants. The first one, one of the participants is my assistant to the city manager. I fondly refer to her as Bogard’s brain because she serves that role for me. A second generation intern just took a small town city manager’s position in Wisconsin. We’ve been organizing a two-year temporary position hopefully with a starting salary that can allow you to live - not well but live - and they work with the Assistant City Managers and myself. Jennifer May the assistant to [the city manager] helps to provide linkage and support. Most of them have gone on to find a position with the city of Sugar Land at the end of the two-year period, somewhere within the departments in a role that either evolves while they’re there or in some cases we’ve realized this is somebody that we want to keep and so we’ve made things happen we’ve hired them as budget analysts.
One thing we’ve been looking at doing right now is attempting to reorient that program to overlap with our budget analysts to where there would be a shared resource that would concentrate on one of my assistant city managers’ areas which are public safety, public services or finance administration and let the MAs be not only working on strategic projects but also supporting those departments from a budget perspective. So I’ve got budget analysts who want to get involved in strategic projects and supporting the departments and I personally believe that there’s nothing a City Manager needs to know more than finance—not because that was my background just because that’s how you control things. So we’re trying to mix that up to where our MAs are going to have a broader breadth of experience.
Is it a difficult sell to your council to fund those positions?
Absolutely not. As a matter of fact, I started out and just did it because it was the right thing to do. I funded it out of salary savings so I didn’t budget it. Over the years we have budgeted it, this last year we went through a scaling back of our finances to get us back into structural balance and we eliminated about eighteen positions so I don’t have any of the MA positions –well, I’ve got MAs but they’re MA IIs, they’re more full-time, permanent positions—I did not specifically fund the MA program as approved positions, but I’ve got the ability within the budget to create those positions with temporary savings because they’re temporary positions. The City Council has been tremendously supportive of the program once I was ready to roll it out… they recognize the value of young people coming into the organization—they see people leaving, they want to see good young people coming in—and that’s one of the things that they look to me to do is to be aggressive in bringing those people into our organization and they have seen a tremendous amount of success, so it’s well received.
Have you noticed any trends, positive or negative, coming from the recent MPA grads from around the country?
I had someone mention one the other day that I really hadn’t thought about but I’ll steal theirs, and that was the social skills that the MPA students are coming out with nowadays. It appears to me that the schools are doing a better job than when I went, helping MPA students learn the importance of networking, interacting with the professional groups, like what you’re doing now, and that certainly wasn’t a part of the program that I graduated out of and as a matter of fact I could have benefited tremendously if I could have been in those types of environments. I think it made it harder for me to be successful because I didn’t have that kind of a background that made it easy for me to talk to people that I didn’t know and so forth. People joke now because all I ever do is talk but I remember talking to people on the phone and just you know having terrible anxiety… anyway, those social skills I think are extremely valuable.
Other than that, we’ve been attracting some really top-notch young people to our organization and they’re very hungry and you have to feed them. That’s something that does take some effort on the organization’s part to make sure that you are feeding that passion that they have. If you don’t then it’s not going to be the best situation, you need to reward that passion and help them find challenges and get involved in things.
What do you think about changing the stigma of internships towards a more “apprenticeship” notion?
I like that. I understand what you’re saying relative to the connotation of the term “intern,” but we use it much more broadly than just for MPA types, we have interns that come in for the parks department, interns that come in to the engineering department, so it’s much broader than just in the city manager’s office… what we’ve done in the past is primarily try to tie an intern or management assistant to one of the Assistant City Managers and that has worked pretty well I think to keep them engaged in things.
Although I am interested in continuing to do the internship program I really believe that the MA program for us is something that is more significant both for the organization that gets something out of the investment and for the student to be able to have that first opportunity at a job, a real live paying job with benefits, and really be given the opportunity to be able to earn your way into a more permanent situation. In our case our community is very well respected in the region and the state of Texas, and I think the young people that come there have a benefit that will accrue with them in the future for having been associated with our city—I don’t mean that to sound egotistical or anything but it was the exact same thing for me working for the city of Plano back in the day. Plano was kind of the epitome of city management and whenever I could put that down on my resume it made a whole lot of difference.
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